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Post by Devar on Oct 14, 2010 22:36:05 GMT
Right with the first episode now out on CoolApe.org it is time to open the thread! Right this is the main place where you can comment on the series as a whole like give advice, say how you feel about it, does it entertain and most of all is it a show that works.
Also as of right now I am willing to take requests, that's right I am going to be taking requests to review whatever villains you may want to see someday in my series, I may not look into them straight away but there may be a chance someday I may look into and make fun of your most cherished villains XD so as of now get posting your comments and all your other things you want to get off your chest about the series =D
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Post by frobman on Oct 14, 2010 23:00:58 GMT
I still recommend Dio Brando from Jojo's Bizarre Adventure!
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Post by glitchyeless on Oct 15, 2010 7:41:16 GMT
great episode! X3 Enjoyed the jokes
Requests huh? Hmm... Well eggman is obvious XD so i vote ganon ^_^
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Post by rogerfromimp on Oct 15, 2010 8:20:55 GMT
Ah, a lecture on Bowser. Interesting. A lot of your observations reminded me of my and Alex’s Bowser’s evil plan. Right, here’s some positive and negative criticisms; The good things: -Good editing and use of footage. This is one of those things that will never have people go “ wow, well done!” since you expect good editing and footage by default. But I was never bothered by the editing or footage, so that means you did your job well. -You got a very good narrating voice. Good quality, sounds clear and you pronounce the words correctly. Very good. -And some good and not-annoying silliness in your voice occasionally too, to give the text more energy and fun. Very good. -I liked the little..well, not animations, but narration over illustrations you do when you roleplay. That’s a lot better then the more awkward live action role playing most reviewers do. - I like your “Peach ran form home and Mario is her unapproved by father boyfriend.” Theory. -And very good of you hiring other voice actors for help, Luke’s always a succes to have in your project. Peach didn’t sound really feminine tough, either I didn’t hear right or couldn’t you find an actress? I’m sure Sassy or Eless will gladly step in for help, and otherwise I have my own army of voice actresses ready to help if you need it. Bad things: -It’s way to long. You narrate about too many details. Do we really need to get reminded of every appearance of every game? The rare things like the Mario anime are interesting, but I don’t think anyone on the internet needs to know about the CD-I games, or especially the regular games , unless you have specific jokes or observations about them. Now it took until halfway the entire movie until it got interesting for me. -No credits? I wanted to check Peach’s voice, or who drew the front and final image, but there’s nothing. Keep in mind you're uploading this on blip.tv, they only accept the use of copyright footage and music if it’s credited. - Not sure if joining in Thatguywiththeglasses running gags is a good idea. Although the “ofcourse!” thing is very funny, you’d probably want to distance yourself a bit from Doug Walker. -Also, I don’t know if Bowser is such a good start for a show about good villains, since he’s a bit of an excuse villain. Blah blah, oh no, (insert name) kidnapped (insert name!) now we must go to (insert level 1-1). When still picking him, I’d focus a lot more on his more evil roles, like in Galaxy, and mostly discard his roles in the simpler games, or just use them as an example as how much Bowser has grown. -Plus I’m kinda against using too famous and obvious villains. To make a real stand in the “We need better villains!” rebellion, you need to dig deeper and get more complex or rare villains. No need in defending Bowser, since Bowser’s still going strong. For more subtle and interesting villains, I suggest you look into the Suikoden games. The only “bad” and 2 dimensional villain they had was Lucca Blight in Suikoden 2, except in that case the game makes him a over the top and way too violent and stupid villain on purpose, the whole plot is ABOUT that even his underlings and henchmen know he’s a madman and cooperate with the heroes to stop him, only to get to a more heartbreaking second half of the game where former allies and friends suddenly realize they still have to finish their original war, despite the fact they worked together. So yeah, Suikoden, especially the second or the 5th have more down to earth and logical villains then I ever saw before. Suikoden 4 not as much tough, and sadly that one’s the only Suikoden that’s relatively easy to buy these days @eless Hah, Ganondorf? I think I'd be very impatient when hearing praising about Ganondorf, far as I'm concerned he's the worst villain, he's way too passive. He takes over all of Hyrule in Ocarina of time and then... NOTHING. No statues, no evil speeches, no crusades, barely even burning villages, he just sits in his damn tower waiting untill Link comes to shove a sword in his face. Not to mention I knocked myself unconscious with facepalming in WIndwaker when Ganondorf catches Link in the act of invading his tower at the beginning of the game, and then discards him. "Duhhh, hmm, a little boy who nearly invaded my entire fotress despite the fact that all inhabitants of Hyrule are too lazy to do even their own damn jobs without needing a super hero to do it for them, who looks exactually like the arch nemesis who killed me at least once in the past. He's even destined to carry the triforce of power, my entire motivation in this game. Meh, I'm too busy staring at the wall, just throw him in the sea." The fact he always get's a big "Ohh, I'm such a sophisticated and smart villain!" speech right before the final battle after spending the rest of the game like a moron just infuriates me more.
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Post by Eyz on Oct 15, 2010 9:02:43 GMT
Very original idea! I'll be interested in checking mre of these sort of videos~ Like the others said, Eggman or Ganon are perfect next ideas. But I hope you'll get more original and obscure bad guys later on Also, you won't just do gamin' bad guys, right? Movies/comics ones too? (specially after showing us Lex Luthor in the first seconds!) Roger 'got some decent points up there! He's right, it's sort of long. I watched it at work and had to pause a couple of times~
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Post by Devar on Oct 15, 2010 20:19:02 GMT
@frobman: I will have to look into that someday but right now I am still deciding on who will come one after the other. glitchyeless: Glad you enjoyed it =D, Gannon is another obvious one I would like to avoid for awhile but it is being planned just not in the near future just yet ^^;. Eyz: To be honest Eyz that was my plan from the very begining as the Antagonist Archives is supposed to look at different villains both well known and obscure, except a couple of not well known ones or obscure in the next couple of episodes, as I am pretty sure the riddle not many of you will guess unless you seen the media in question. Also I am hoping to not only do gaming bad guys to be honest as I always love variety in my life and want to show the variety of characters from different media, sadly though even though I want to do manga/comics and live action movies most of them can not be done cause untill I can actually find a good way to not only get the movies or manga/comic in question but also able to make them interesting. I am surprised about the length complaint as most reviewers who do this same thing can actually go on just as long but on one single media so I have no clue how to react to that ^^;. rogerfromimp: Ohh geez Roger you sure typed a large report for me I see, well lets take this one by one so then you can understand my standing on the situation with the first episode and what went through my mind when coming up with this episode:- To be honest I thought my voice was kinda bland and the quality of it wasn't perfect, as I had to work with an 11-12 year old mic but thanks for the compliments there =). I thought the comic sketches would work better in my favour as not many do that sorta thing but also I believe not only will it set me apart from other reviewers but will also be able to advertise artists that I get to do that comics in future, if anyone from CoolApe.org in the comic section want to help with future installments of the Antagonist Archives then I am willing to take it, also could ask but not sure about peoples lives and such ^^;. As for Peach's voice, I was literally in a rush to get certain things done and didn't feel I had the time to look for a voice actress, also I thought the fakey female voice by me (yes... thats me XD) would work well, I mean it worked for Linkara so why not others for being comical? Though someone who actually listened to the lines for me just to tell me if they were alright gave me the ok on them ^^; Now for the first bad point, the point of the Antagonist Archives is a "Documentary" meaning that going over details people already knows just for possible newcomers to actually understand and enjoy, I mean if you didn't know Mario at all Roger and I just skipped a lot of details I think you be lost, I was trying to cater to those who were not savvy in Mario games as well which is a hard balance I will admit, also I do not deem 20 minutes long as from many many reviewers I have seen that is the standard, long would be over 30 minutes. Length was a very very huge concern on my part and I felt that 20 minutes was long enough and it felt right at the time. As for credits, the voice of Peach was by me obviously XD and the artist in question wanted to stay anonymous so I thought the line "All images and footages are copyrighted to their original owners" would solve that problem. Actually that was another concern the Of course joke as I wanted something funny so I decided to test the waters by using that joke in a different way, but other then that I don't think I made any other references other then that Dr Insaneo shot. But in the oncoming episodes I won't be doing that again as I like to try my own original way of doing things. Actually Antagonist Archives is about the "best and worst of villains" or did you ignore that detail in the intro? 0_o, so yeah Bowser was a good example of a villain who isn't good but yet isn't all that bad and somehow strikes a balance. Lastly I actually share your view on starting with Bowser too as I prefered to do one on a more obscure villain but at the time I was also wrestling with the fact 'people may not be so bothered if they don't know a person' so Bowser being familiar to a wide audience I thought I at least start with an "Example" and "Experimental" episode that not only test the waters for a series like this but also show what people may expect from the series. Suikoden game series was one that came to mind to be honest but I never played any of them but since you recommended them I shall look into them or even play them if I ever see them around and review any of the antagonists from there. Finally thanks a lot Roger I can't use that Gannon joke now since I was actually thinking of doing that but since people read that here I will need to think of another now so ermm yeah thanks XD
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Post by rogerfromimp on Oct 15, 2010 21:10:40 GMT
I thought my voice was kinda bland and the quality of it wasn't perfect, Myeah, myeah, not perfect. nothing is perfect. I hate "it could be better" arguiing. Everything in the entire universe except that one single thing blessed as being the most perfect thing EVAH could be improved. Bah, In general, I think you're pretty good. I prefer your voice a lot more then ,say, Filmbrain , Lordkat and even Linkara. But that's just me I guess.. if anyone from CoolApe.org in the comic section want to help with future installments of the Antagonist Archives And I'm willing to do brief animations too. I can finish a good 20/30 second animation in one evening, on a good day. I thought the fakey female voice by me would work well, I mean it worked for Linkara Well yeah, for Linkara, YugiOh Abridged and Monthy Phython it works. But that's because A) All voices are all done by the same guy(s).. Altough Yugioh Avridged is hiring real women now, but we're used to his Tea now anyway. You hired an extra actor, so then accepting a fake female voice is a bit harder. Oh, and B) The previous examples do it over the top, the females sound REALLY fake, so it's funny. You do a almost good job at it. And you know the rules of the uncanny valley, people only accept things when they're REAL bad, or REAL good. Kinda good always puts people off. But if you had to rush for a deadline, I can hardly blame you for trying it yourself. I don't like depending on people when time is tight either.. Antagonist Archives is about the "best and worst of villains" or did you ignore that detail in the intro? Oops, must have missed that. Sorry, my bad. Finally thanks a lot Roger I can't use that Gannon joke Ack! Sorry. Woa.. Hey, first of all, I doubt many people read ym comment, it's not that busy on the forums and most people are scared of big posts. And second, I'm sure your take on the joke is diffrent then mine. And third, even if it's the same, the joke works completely diffrent when you act it out with audio and visuals, while it's just written here. So don't let my wild outbursts ruin your own script there. Besides, the big reviewers recycle ideas themselves too. Half the material I find on Thatguywiththeglasses has been done before, often a lot better, by Seanbaby. Spoony is now riffing on the Wendy's training video's. I'm quite sure I've seen these done by Seanbaby at least 3 years ago already. And finally, yeah it makes sense to start with Bowser, to start out with a bang. Besides, regardless of the complaints that you need to do more rare villains, it's teh big villains that will attract more page views anyway. Public versus skeptics I guess.
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Post by kingdumbheartness on Oct 15, 2010 21:20:44 GMT
Could You do an Antagonists archive about Xehanort from Kingdom Hearts....i mean he tries lots of new things...unlike bowser A)He possesses someone for more than 10 years, Tries to steal people's hearts so he can use a giant heart for WORLD DOMINATION..... "OF COURSE" B) He Kills Mark Hamill.....He kills the actor that does the voice for luke skywalker C)before He possesses one of the hero's of Birth by sleep....he is voiced by leonard Nimoy.....SPOCK FROM STAR TREK
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Post by ZoDy on Oct 16, 2010 18:19:44 GMT
Well you know all of my comments on your video ; ) but I think after working on the next review (cus I know you've done most of the script now) maybe it's best to focus on more popular villains like Eggman or something to get a fanbase going because people might get bitchy if they have to research into a new character because it doesn't appeal so much to the narrow minded : I But I'm really looking forward to the next episode : D
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Post by rogerfromimp on Oct 17, 2010 7:51:43 GMT
But isn't the whole point of this thing to be some sort of research? Why would people want to watch a show discussing villains if..
Ahh forget it.
Just make next episode about Seprioth and repeat for 15 minutes how awesome he is, that's the only thing that people on the internet want to hear anyway.
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Post by Devar on Oct 17, 2010 13:41:36 GMT
Each antagonist I will be reviewing will be picked out based on many factors, how I feel, whether the characters have enough material to make fun of and whether they are main stream or obscure cause personally I rather try and mix in not well known ones with the popular ones.
@roger: Ahh Roger Sephiroth will come up but not just quite yet, also for you information I find Sephiroth too over rated especially considering that they had better antagonists before him and maybe one after him, but I still like him just don't expect me to be blinded by other peoples views when it comes to characters.
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Post by hyrit on Oct 18, 2010 20:43:22 GMT
Sephiroth I only know of Kingdom Hearts (I never played any FF game because I hate the Turn Based fighting) and theres one thing that make him cool....HIS FREAKING THEME SONG!
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Post by Sors the Bloodedge on Oct 18, 2010 21:05:36 GMT
How about Dr. Robotnik? I know its a bit obvious but i think it would sound good.
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Post by Devar on Oct 19, 2010 1:30:41 GMT
hyrit: True his theme song is pretty cool especially a couple of the other versions like the Advent Children one though I wouldn't recommend the Crisis Core one cause it sounds so underwhelming, but some of them are pretty good including the original =D Sors the Bloodedge: Dr Robotnik Eggman is probably in the works by default but being a person that doesn't like to concentrate too much on the main stream I shall not be looking into him for awhile perhaps but his time shall come much like the others in this list along with many others
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Post by Sors the Bloodedge on Oct 19, 2010 11:09:57 GMT
hyrit: True his theme song is pretty cool especially a couple of the other versions like the Advent Children one though I wouldn't recommend the Crisis Core one cause it sounds so underwhelming, but some of them are pretty good including the original =D Sors the Bloodedge: Dr Robotnik Eggman is probably in the works by default but being a person that doesn't like to concentrate too much on the main stream I shall not be looking into him for awhile perhaps but his time shall come much like the others in this list along with many others Heh, fair do's, its your show anyway.
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