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Post by fireboy250 on Feb 8, 2011 21:07:00 GMT
is it just me or are they becoming all too common?dont get me wrong megamind and rapunzel were good movies but they are an acceptance out of about a dozen average ones.i only find pixar to be the best company at this style of movie making. i would say dreamworks but they made shrek 3 and monsters vs aliens which were more then trollop
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Post by Sonicmark on Feb 8, 2011 22:50:08 GMT
By rapunzel I'm assuming you mean Tangled? Because if you do, I think that was pretty good. I suppose that's what happens when Disney buys out Pixar and takes their tech. :B To be honest, I'd agree that Disney's probably the masters at the CGI movie. Their work wouldn't be as good if it was in 2D, normally I'd say things draw me in more if they're in 2D, but Pixar is an exception.
There needs to be more 2D work, though I don't think 3D's going anywhere but it does seem a bit massive in comparison to the 2D productions these days.
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Post by glitchyeless on Feb 9, 2011 8:21:44 GMT
Yeah its pretty much the norm nowadays, every cartoon movie is CGI. It seems like Disneys making an effort to do 2D movies now as well so im happy about that. 8)
Its at the point where crap like hoodwinked and knomeo and Juilet are made that you realise how sick of CGI movies you are. 8/
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Post by Eyz on Feb 9, 2011 12:50:50 GMT
Yeah its pretty much the norm nowadays, every cartoon movie is CGI. It seems like Disneys making an effort to do 2D movies now as well so im happy about that. 8) I see more 2D animated movies coming from Warner Bros animation than Disney personally... So....
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Post by glitchyeless on Feb 11, 2011 6:54:17 GMT
Yeah its pretty much the norm nowadays, every cartoon movie is CGI. It seems like Disneys making an effort to do 2D movies now as well so im happy about that. 8) I see more 2D animated movies coming from Warner Bros animation than Disney personally... So.... which are they? also not sure if it was clear but i was referring to cinema 2D movies before. 8)
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Post by Eyz on Feb 11, 2011 9:24:09 GMT
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Post by Gagaman on Feb 11, 2011 13:20:24 GMT
Not everyone is that crazy on direct-to-DVD DC Comics stuff mind.. I used to be in the mind set that 2D = good and most 3D = bad, and that big faddy glu of bad CGI movies around 2003-2006 pretty much made a lot of people feel that way, but really it all comes down to both the story and how well designed and animated they are. There are plenty of 3D CGI movies that not only look astounding but also probably couldn't be done in any other medium of animation, and there is also stuff still that only hand drawn 2D can achieve. For example check out the trailers for a film coming out soon called Rango: www.youtube.com/watch?v=tH8xW8mF-AII can't imagine these kind of character designs working in anything but high-class CGI, except maybe stop motion. The character designs, particularly the really ugly reptilian characters in just supereb. I'm quite looking forward to this one so I hope the story doesn't disappoint. Of course there will always be plenty of tripe in cinemas, but it's not like there wasn't before CGI movies came along: lest we forget the droves of Disney-wannabe musicals that flooded the cinemas during the 90s.. I do agree that cinemas are too expensive now. There's a reason why movies are making more money than ever yet at the same time the numbers of people going to cinemas has dropped quite a bit.
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Post by Eyz on Feb 14, 2011 9:04:54 GMT
I dunno More so than stories or special effects, it all comes down to tastes first. And I find myself liking less and less CGi over the years... It just doesn't "work" for me anymore. :/ I prefer some ol' badly animated Hannah Barbera stuff from the 70s or old 80s animes over the shinniest and prettiest CGi like - GASP haters will hate me in 2 seconds - Wall-E or something~ I find more charm in good ol' hand drawn animation than computer 3D models. But like I said, it simply a question of tastes. Some like chocolate ice cream, well I prefer pistachio ice cream. To each their own~
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Post by rogerfromimp on Feb 14, 2011 22:56:01 GMT
I prefer some ol' badly animated Hannah Barbera stuff from the 70s or old 80s animes over the shinniest and prettiest CGi like - GASP haters will hate me in 2 seconds - Wall-E or something~ I find more charm in good ol' hand drawn animation than computer 3D models. But like I said, it simply a question of tastes. Some like chocolate ice cream, well I prefer pistachio ice cream. To each their own~ Hey, bash all if Wall-E that you want, but don't diss the chocolate icecream! GRr. Rabble rabble rabble. I don't mind CGI, but all the animations plots all seem the same. There's always one little theme that's supposedly unique "this time the Igor henchmen is the star! This time the villain is the star! This time the background characters are the star!" but other then 4 or 5 throwaway gags, the movie immediatly falls into your generic "Nasty/shy/ clumsy hero dreams of achieving a dream but because of a girlfriend/cute little animals/children he learns that being a nice generic husband/father was more important all along story. Yawn. Suprised nobody mentioned Alpha and Omega..or whatever, teh weird wolf/ dog movie yet. Looks kinda odd, almost as if i'm watching those weird FMV's from games from the mid 90's.
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Post by glitchyeless on Feb 16, 2011 0:06:49 GMT
I prefer some ol' badly animated Hannah Barbera stuff from the 70s or old 80s animes over the shinniest and prettiest CGi like - GASP haters will hate me in 2 seconds - Wall-E or something~ I find more charm in good ol' hand drawn animation than computer 3D models. But like I said, it simply a question of tastes. Some like chocolate ice cream, well I prefer pistachio ice cream. To each their own~ Hey, bash all if Wall-E that you want, but don't diss the chocolate icecream! GRr. Rabble rabble rabble. I don't mind CGI, but all the animations plots all seem the same. There's always one little theme that's supposedly unique "this time the Igor henchmen is the star! This time the villain is the star! This time the background characters are the star!" but other then 4 or 5 throwaway gags, the movie immediatly falls into your generic "Nasty/shy/ clumsy hero dreams of achieving a dream but because of a girlfriend/cute little animals/children he learns that being a nice generic husband/father was more important all along story. Yawn. Suprised nobody mentioned Alpha and Omega..or whatever, teh weird wolf/ dog movie yet. Looks kinda odd, almost as if i'm watching those weird FMV's from games from the mid 90's. i think that may be a trend in them at the moment rather than a sum up of cgi movies as a whole. I have noticed that recently though, yeah. And because one movie probably did this plot first, everyone else copies them like they usually do. One of my favourite movies of last year How to train your dragon when i thought about it actually follows that description of that usual plot, but it kind of goes in a different direction, instead of someone making him see whats important its more like he's already figured it out half way though and its everyone else that he needs to conquer, or something. Though thats not entirely original to begin with either. Sure is perty though. 8B That wolf movie hasnt come out here yet and i havent seen any trailers of it in the movies, just on youtube. So i dont know much about it. The art style and animation looked strange to me though 8/ thats really all i remember of it.
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Post by pookiebrr on Feb 16, 2011 19:13:51 GMT
Well, from what I've heard, CGI animation is all around easier than making a 2D frame-by-frame animation. I'm not saying that some CGI movies out there aren't a work of art or anything, but that's just how things are nowadays. 2D animation takes a lot more time and money while CGI is the cheaper route. However, it's good that Disney is kind of sticking to their roots and doing a 2D movie here and there :3
Really though, I think people are just trying to adapt to the times. You're going to see more CGI than animation because of cost and time parameters. It's just... normal now, I guess. =/
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Post by Gagaman on Feb 16, 2011 21:04:37 GMT
I dunno More so than stories or special effects, it all comes down to tastes first. And I find myself liking less and less CGi over the years... It just doesn't "work" for me anymore. :/ I prefer some ol' badly animated Hannah Barbera stuff from the 70s or old 80s animes over the shinniest and prettiest CGi like - GASP haters will hate me in 2 seconds - Wall-E or something~ I find more charm in good ol' hand drawn animation than computer 3D models. Yeah haha, I can barely stand to watch Hanna-Barbera cartoons for longer than 10 minutes at a time now the animation is so stale and lifeless, but at least the characters are still charming thanks to their voices and personalities, but every episode really does feel much like the last. They have their charm in small doses for me but man do they not do much but talk. 3D is not always bad, 2D is not always good. That's my view in a nutshell anyway. Plus when these kind of debates come up you have to wonder where stop motion comes into all this? Never seems to get the attention it deserves considering how many good films even in recent years have used that technique. I love the fact that you can see all the characters and props were built by someone with real materials. CGI has been trying for a while to create realistic materials to get that stop motion look, and while they're not quite there yet they're improving. The great thing about CGI though is it can be used in a infinite amount of ways, a shame most cinema releases stick to the same styles and rendering techniques. Look up some student and indie short films done in CGI and see what can be done with it when really pushed into new artistic directions. Also if you're gonna prefer one technique over the other, what about when they combine them? they do thisd all the time even if you don't notice it: 3D has been used in 2D movies for decades: see the stampede in The Lion King for example. 2D can be used to enhance 3D and vice versa.
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Post by Eyz on Feb 17, 2011 9:00:19 GMT
"CGI has been trying for a while to create realistic (...)" You got it! That's probably my main problem with it, be it for videogames or animated shows/movies. Why do everything needs to be realistic these days? Where's the simpler textures/forms, the cartooniest visual universes, etc.. Well, from what I've heard, CGI animation is all around easier than making a 2D frame-by-frame animation. I'm not saying that some CGI movies out there aren't a work of art or anything, but that's just how things are nowadays. 2D animation takes a lot more time and money while CGI is the cheaper route. However, it's good that Disney is kind of sticking to their roots and doing a 2D movie here and there :3 Really though, I think people are just trying to adapt to the times. You're going to see more CGI than animation because of cost and time parameters. It's just... normal now, I guess. =/ Exactly! You got it perfectly! It's cheaper and easier :/ And well, since I draw, I relate and have more affinity for 2D. As time consumming and less effective compared to CGi studio as it is
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Post by Gagaman on Feb 17, 2011 13:16:55 GMT
"CGI has been trying for a while to create realistic (...)" You got it! That's probably my main problem with it, be it for videogames or animated shows/movies. Why do everything needs to be realistic these days? Where's the simpler textures/forms, the cartooniest visual universes, etc.. Lol nice selective quoting there. Completely ignoring what came after it: The great thing about CGI though is it can be used in a infinite amount of ways, a shame most cinema releases stick to the same styles and rendering techniques. Look up some student and indie short films done in CGI and see what can be done with it when really pushed into new artistic directions. Guess I need to link to some of these short films I am referring to: Salesman Pete: vimeo.com/15126262The Backwater Gospel: vimeo.com/17914974Doomed (from the creators of Pocoyo): www.elsenorstudio.com/detail_series_films/113The External World: vimeo.com/19723116Just a small pickings of some of the amazing unique and Non-realistic CGI out there. Hollywood has a fetish for realism in CGI but even in that department we are starting to see more 'cartoon-y' stuff, see Cloudy with a Chance of Meatballs, that film is full of beautifully executed animation that reminds me of Looney Tunes: www.youtube.com/watch?v=W3RM5hHfvFADon't get me wrong I love 2D animation, it's what I mainly do because I can't figure out CGI for toffee, and I would love to see more hand drawn animation on the big screen for example (Princess and the Frog was a real joy to watch in cinemas as was Ponyo last year) but CGI has plenty of merits and it's getting better and better. It's not all like Yogi Bear.
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Post by Eyz on Feb 18, 2011 9:07:21 GMT
Oh man, I'm not here to start a "war". Just saying I prefer 2d, relate more to it since I've always drawn, etc and prefer its simplistic tone and visuals compared to 3D modelling and texturing..
Of course I've seen some beautiful CGi short films by students, etc.. And tend to prefer them over hollywood animation. (plus, I'm not here to change anyone's else opinion on the matter)
Like I said it first, to each their own!
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